Against the Rules with Michael Lewis
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Against the Rules with Michael Lewis
Michael Lewis’s best-selling book The Big Short is now 15 years old. The Oscar-winning movie based on it came out a decade ago. To mark the occasion, Lewis has narrated a new audiobook of The Big Short. Here on his podcast, he and co-host Lidia Jean Kott are thinking about the legacy of the bo...
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Adam McKay is Still Angry About 2008
When Adam McKay decided to make a movie based on The Big Short, he was mainly known for his comedies. But he managed to get a bevy of star actors — am...

The Big Short is Big Back
Back in 2008, Michael Lewis started paying attention to Wall Street again, as banks and investment funds started to announce massive losses. Fifteen y...
Sen. Richard Blumenthal on the SAFE Bet Act
Is anyone trying to regulate sports gambling on the federal level in the US? In the fall of 2024, Connecticut Democratic Senator Richard Blumenthal in...
Dr. Laurie Santos on Group Psychology, the Teen Brain, and Happiness
Michael Lewis invites over Yale psychology professor Dr. Laurie Santos, host of The Happiness Lab at Pushkin, for a chat about what scientific researc...
Natasha Schüll on the Antisocial Lure of Gambling
As an anthropologist, Natasha Schüll spent more than a decade doing field work in Vegas casinos, especially among the slot machine addicts. She tells...
Episode 10: “Anybody Can Win, but Everybody’s Gonna Lose”
Perhaps you have someone in your life who’s prone to sports gambling. Michael Lewis has someone. So he comes up with a scheme to “inoculate” his 17-ye...
Episode 9: Framing the Gambler
Michael Lewis gets a glimpse of sports gambling's future by talking with writers in Great Britain and Australia, where the industry is even more entre...
Episode 8: The Integrity Landscape
Has betting based on inside intel on games gone down since sports gambling was legalized in the US? Not really, as Michael Lewis finds out. But what's...
Michael Lewis on the Prof G Pod
Just recently, Michael Lewis was a guest on the "Prof G" podcast with Scott Galloway. He talks about the rise of sports betting and why the consequenc...
Vegas Sports Bookies on Old-School Betting
On a visit to Las Vegas, Michael Lewis meets three old-school sports bookies. Chris Andrews, Jimmy Vaccaro, and Vinny Magliulo book bets and set odds...
Gambler Billy Walters on the Sharp's Life
Michael Lewis sits down with Billy Walters, one of the most famous sports bettors of all time. They talk about Walters' impoverished childhood in Kent...
Episode 7: Little Big Short
As a resident of California, Michael Lewis cannot place bets on any of the online sports books at the center of this season. They’re not allowed to op...
Episode 6: VIP
What does it mean to be a “very important person” in the world of online sports betting? Not necessarily what you think. We hear from recovering gambl...
Episode 5: The Mule
The role has many names: “Runner,” “mover,” “betting partner,” and “mule.” As skilled sports gamblers find themselves limited on apps, they turn to th...
An Interview with Ted Olson
Constitutional lawyer and former US Solicitor Ted Olson recently died at the age of 84. Olson represented the state of New Jersey in its efforts to ov...
Episode 4: A Hard Way to Make an Easy Living
Michael Lewis heads to Las Vegas to explore the way sports betting used to work, up until the day it was rapidly legalized by states around the countr...
Nate Silver on the Risky Business of Sports Betting
As the US election nears, Michael Lewis sits down with Nate Silver, co-host of the Pushkin podcast Risky Business (along with the writer, psychologist...
Marci Cottingham on the Religious Passion of Steeler Nation
Is there a difference between fandom and religion? In Pittsburgh, it can be hard to tell. Fans of the city’s football team, the Pittsburgh Steelers, s...
Alison LaCroix on How History Rhymes at the Supreme Court
It may seem like sports gambling got legalized overnight in the US. But it was in fact a winding road to get there. Michael Lewis speaks with legal hi...
Episode 3: Welcome to the Garden State
How did we get from fantasy sports to legalized sports betting? The path is convoluted, but most of it winds through New Jersey. Michael Lewis speaks...
Episode 2: Values of the Game
Bill Bradley was already famous in college as the epitome of certain American virtues: integrity, honesty, and athleticism. As an NBA star, he took th...
Episode 1: What’s Wrong with Eric?
Sports fans experience incredible highs and lows, and spend loads of money on a product over which they have no control. But for a long time, no one b...
Against the Rules: Fans
Against the Rules is going to Vegas (by way of New Jersey!). Host Michael Lewis bets high and low to find out how Americans, and their state governmen...
Judging Sam: The Sentencing
Sam Bankman-Fried was sentenced to 25 years in prison after being convicted of fraud and conspiracy. Michael Lewis and Lidia Jean Kott were there in c...
Judging Sam: Judging the FTX Bankruptcy
While Sam Bankman-Fried has been on trial, the cryptocurrency exchange he founded, FTX, has been going through bankruptcy proceedings. Jonathan Lipson...
Judging Sam is Coming Back
This fall we covered the trial of Sam Bankman-Fried, the founder of the failed cryptocurrency exchange FTX. He was found guilty of fraud and conspirac...
Michael Lewis on Freakonomics Radio
Enjoy this episode of Freakonomics Radio, where Michael Lewis sat down with Stephen Dubner to discuss his book “Going Infinite: The Rise and Fall of a...
The Rise and Fall of Crypto Billionaire Sam Bankman-Fried from Talk Easy
Enjoy this episode from another Pushkin Industries podcast, Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso.
Upon taking a walk with crypto billionaire Sam Bankman-F...
Judging Sam: Millennial Frauds
Lidia Jean Kott talks to journalist Elizabeth Lopatto about what it was like to cover the trial, the similarities it shared with Elizabeth Holmes’ tri...
Judging Sam: The Aftermath
It's all over. Sam Bankman-Fried was found guilty on all seven counts. But what now? Michael Lewis, Lidia Jean Kott, and Judging Sam’s legal expert, O...
Judging Sam: Guilty on all counts
The jury, after about 4 and a half hours of deliberation, has delivered its verdict – guilty on all seven counts. Lidia Jean Kott was in the courtroom...
Judging Sam: The jury's job
CORRECTION: In an earlier version of this episode, our guest incorrectly stated that in the case of a hung jury, a defendant cannot be retried without...
Judging Sam: The Hail Mary That Wasn’t
We're finally in the home stretch. Today the prosecution finished their cross examination of Sam Bankman-Fried, the defense followed up with a redirec...
Judging Sam: Sam Bankman-Fried Faces Cross-Examination
Sam Bankman-Fried finishes direct and faces withering cross-examination by the government’s chief prosecutor, Danielle Sassoon. Michael Lewis and Lidi...
Judging Sam: Sam Bankman-Fried Takes The Stand
The day is finally upon us: Sam Bankman-Fried takes the stand. Michael Lewis and Lidia Jean meet up after a long day in court and discuss everything t...
Judging Sam: Michael Lewis comes to court
Michael Lewis finishes his book tour and joins Lidia Jean Kott in court. His timing, as usual, is impeccable. The government rests its case. And then,...
Judging Sam: After The Prosecution Rests
After a few days off, the trial resumes tomorrow, October 26. The prosecution has said they will likely be ready to rest their case by midday. Michael...
Judging Sam: An FTX Victim Speaks Out
Voices of the victims of Sam Bankman-Fried’s alleged crimes have been few and far between during the prosecution’s presentation of its case. On today’...
Judging Sam: Week 3 is in the books
Another week come and gone, and like everything SBF, it wasn’t without a healthy dose of drama. Lidia Jean Kott catches Michael Lewis and Jacob Goldst...
Listen Now: Spellcaster - The Fall of Sam Bankman-Fried
When nerdy gamer Sam Bankman-Fried rocketed to fame as the world’s richest 29-year-old, he pledged to donate his billions to good causes. But when Sam...